Chinunit22: What is a difference between Winchester Elite Supreme and PDX 1 Defender?
UnforgivingDemon: At 871 feet per second that's moving for a .45 especially out of a 3.78"
glock 30. There is no reason that round should not have expanded at that
velocity. Remember most 1911s with 5in barrels average at 820-850 ft per
second and they have no problem expanding. Gold Dots are where it's at.
jwash3rd: I got good results from these using a full-size 1911, side-by side with
Ranger T +Ps. I used wet phonebooks while I collect some more jugs so as
you say, "Your results may vary." An interesting site is
Ballisticsbytheinchdotcom where they test a couple brands of ammo in
different barrel lengths to determine velocity, which can affect terminal
tnoutdoors9: @Blk05titan26 For me, only as a last resort. There just isn't enough punch.
IF I carried .380, it would be the heavier loads in hopes of achieving the
best penetration.....that comment is based on what I've read, not tested
tensecond67: you havent shot anyone you freakin lying sack of crap
Ron Carpenter: have you tested any DRT pistol ammo? It's a different theory of expansion.
Copper jacket seperates on purpose, then the powdered metal core
disintigrates from dynamic pressure of centrifugal force. They claim it
cannot go thru an organic target. Rather the powdered metal cloud spinning
at 60k rpm (in pistols) destroys internals. I trust your opinions more than
RIPbiker13: I guess it's a great option for rapists not wearing clothing... A test with
4 layers is a perfectly viable test. A pocket alone makes up for at least 2
layers right there.
vincnet11: @bigboss686 Well the second round he fired did expand so the key word is
double tap. There's no such thing as a perfect round, you can encounter
misfires and jams with any brand of ammo. Have you heard of exploding .45
acp rounds from Federal that was recalled recently? I have seen another
test video where this round is expanded properly. Hollowpoints failing to
expand occasionally is not uncommon.
aeroscroggy 83: The other PDX1 (357 Sig) expanded just fine in your denim and ballistic
media test. I wonder if it is due to the lack of velocity from the 45ACP. I
know for a fact that Ranger T and Gold Dot 45 in 230 gr expand just fine
regardless of denim. Maybe winchester needs to tweak this particular round
a little bit so that it will perform better.
miah022: could you do more then one test? maybe just a bad round? and do a average?
Hedlessniper: I don't think anyone wears 4 layers of denim
dammitjavari: Can someone recommend a load for my ruger p89
Blk05titan26: .45 gap is the .45 for pussies
Aaron Anaya: the next step could be a bonded bullet with a tip like the critical defense
Vito Calo: Speer Gold Dot..........
TheMedievalMan: Im so glad I choose to use Gold Dots for my carry ammo.
GitcheG75: Excellent points there, tnoutdoors9. Thank you for the post.
EliteAmericans: o this is old test. I's about to say i've shot these out of the hi point 45
and they expanded perfectly in mud and glycerine blocks but its a lot
bigger than that glock u got there
Avus95: @FREDNELSON100 First off, Thank you for your service to this country. But
please, for the love of God turn off CAPS LOCK!
prescottbill: @Gspsx These are made for law enforcement. The Hornady Critical Defense
rounds are made to expand from any barrel and not over penetrate. I also
like the Corbon DPX for small CCW guns. For a full sized .45s, I still like
the Ranger T 230 +P round. Shot placement still trumps bullet design, so
practice, practice, practice.
bereanminded: My Ruger P345 loves this round! I found that I liked it and the Federal
Premium 165 gr. Hydra-Shok the best with slightly better accuracy from the
Winchester. It is just very hard to find right now.
tnoutdoors9: @miah022 Eventually, yes, this one needs another shot, no pun intended.
LVs13DRIFT: so the pdx1 is a great choice if you live in a nudist colony LOL I think Im
switching up to the Gold dot thanks for the Vid
fordxbgtfalcon: out of all the guns and ammo reviewers on youtube, you are by far the most
detailed sir. thumbs up to you!
ghostrider1krr: Yet another poor performance by a bonded bullet. Honestly, the better non
bonded designs hold together very well these days and expand much more
reliably so why all of the hype over bonded handgun ammo? Ever wonder why
various manufacturers offer their premium bonded load to the public but not
their premium non bonded designs?
bigboss686: @vincnet11 Well that's great if you have the time/training to get a double
tap done, lots of times you don't!! Also, I am in no way expecting there to
be such a thing as a perfect round, however there are without question
certain bullets that have a more reliable track record for expansion, PDX
may develop a record as good as gold dot or HST with time, however it's
still a new round that has to prove its as reliable as the previously
mentioned. BTW federal doesn't make exploding ammunition
mixwell1983: @EliteAmericans - Well that's what I'm saying bro, if you bought a box of
PDX1 and it didn't perform like it was supposed to would't you be
disappointed ? Personally I have the same ammo in this vide but I pickup my
Glock 22 .40 cal next monday and I really don't like the results of this
video so I will most likely pickup some speer gold dot BUT if this was your
main defense ammo I don't think you can afford a failure which I know you
can agree with.. I should function as advertised IMHO..
tensecond67: suvivalist wanna be. the only thing you've managed to survive is the rat
problem in your room aka mommy's basement. douche bag 40 year old virgin
Riflemanm16a2: Hmm, the FBI chose this round (in .40 S&W, I'm assuming). I wonder if the
.40 performs any differently. How many rounds do you shoot to test for
expansion? Was it just the two that we saw? Thanks for another
informational video by the way.
GARYMANDIEVAN: I love your vids ,but this is why I stick with the Hornady CD Ammo it opens
up everytime I have tested it. I also have ran into the same problem as you
did with this Ammo. Keep up the great work these vids. are very educational.
Chris Eubank: @gshdrums There is a website called ammunition to go that carrys those
silvereagle1833: I believe this is proof. One particular bullet design does not cover all of
the caliber spectrum. Performance from one caliber doesn't necessarily mean
it will give needed results in another. Select your round with careful
study. Question, are manufactures making ammunition for mass marketing
without the need for performance? They do need to make profit. Also we must
consider you are shooting a 45 caliber diameter projectile. Ball ammo for
this cartridge is not so wimpy after all...Gunny Z
Gary Gutierrez: @scubaguy007 Check that he is now a target.
Ronald3570: two tests with this same brand of ammo where it failed to expand due to the
denim, i would never trust this ammo for self defense, its gonna go through
all the walls in your house and into your neighbors. for me, im just
sticking to nothing but gold dots for all my calibers, theres no reason to
buy anything else.
dimitriosvulgaris: ohhhh FO SHO!!!!!!! Nice catch bro..
bigboss686: @TheRiggenbach There are a lot of variables such as humidity, temperature
and sea level elevation that can change velocities slightly one way or the
other. And of course there's always the imprecision of each round having a
hair's breath different powder charge. Another thing to remember is that
most of these velocities as measured from the company are also more often
than not done at an indoor range under perfect shooting conditions,
something that rarely happens outside.
Lone-Wolf Nelson Sr.: MY GOOD FRIEND ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU. THAT TEST WAS HORRIBLE, AND
EVEN THOUGH THE AMMO BOX LOOKS FANCY AND THE PDX1 WILL NOT BE RELIABLE
ENOUGH TO CONTINUE BUYING, I OWN A BOX ALL READY. SO I WILL SHOOT THEM
ROUND OFF AT THE RANGE. THREW MY GLOCK 21 SF 45.. WOW YOUR VIDEOS SAVES
LIVES AND PEOPLE MONEY... PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING LIKE THEY ALWAYS SAY, AND
SEEING IS BELIEVING. ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU SIR FOR YOUR RESEARCH.. SAVES ME
MONEY I DONT HAVE TO WAIST. A NEW FAN US SOLDIER OUT!
LecticProverb: I'd like to see a test which uses a layer of clothing to represent a
t-shirt as well as something like a polo shirt. I think most defensive
shooters train their shots at center mass. The denim, while indicative of
external ballistics on leg and waist shots, does little to impact the
effects of a projectile on center mass hits.
fboyg91: Forgive me if I am mistaken, but aren't hydra shoks made specifically for
slower rounds such as the .45acp that typically have issues with HP or JHP
bigboss686: @Gspsx From everything I've heard it's very difficult to get a 230 g 45 ACP
to work at low velocities. This is one of the reasons why there are 185g
loadings in 45acp. You've got to remember that the former was designed
around the 1911 platform and not the micro guns we use today for CCW.
Personally I don't own any 45 smaller than a sig P220 for that very reason.
And when I carry it with a 185 grain loading. just my personal opinion.
After the research I've done
TheRiggenbach: @tnoutdoors9 i've noticed that on most of your ammo vids the velocity is
normally lower than the manufacuter's. is that mostly due to using a
shorter barrel or do you suspect they fudge them a little?
Swervin309 .: I have a Glock 30 and I've seen all of your videos for .45 ammo. However,
I'm considering doing my own tests. Before I do, I must ask: Which rounds
(in your opinion, based on your tests) work best in a short-barreled .45?
Would a +P round be better for a short-barreled weapon?
Gary Gutierrez: Fun video to watch...the aggressor will be most likely wearing clothing. HA
HA HA Now that is funny! If it's male, naked and moving toward me, it is an
aggressor. : )
J Rock: @tnoutdoors9 Great video!!! I hope that in the near future you will have
tests on the Hornady Critical Defense rounds. They are supposed to be
flawless when hitting clothing barriers such as bluejean material etc.......
j0rdanj1: hickok45 yes
Chris Eubank: I still trust my life to these rounds.
Lone-Wolf Nelson Sr.: OH AND ONE LAST THING, I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, I AM IN THE US ARMY. AND
I WENT TO THE MILITARY PX AND BROUGHT SOME BOXES OF THE FANCY " EXTREME
SHOCK ".45 AMMO, FOR HOME DEFENSE USE. BUT LIKE YOU SIR , I ALWAYS TEST OUT
THE AMMO, TO ENSURE IT WILL PERFORM WELL. I WAS SO GLAD I DID. I USED MY
GLOCK 21 SF 45. AND UPON SHOOTING THE EXTREME SHOCK 45 AMMO. THE ROUND
EXPLODED & BLEW UP IN MY GLOCK 21. THE CASING HAD A HUGE HOLE BLOWN OUT OF
THE BOTTOM. GLAD I ALWAYS WEARING EYE-PRO. GOD-B-U.
hitmhard: I found some of this ammo in 9mm .124 grain at walmart. I was thinking
about getting some. But decided to go to my car to do a search on youtube.
I ran into this video and after watching I decided not to go back in and
buy a box! Thanks tnoutdoors9!
evilside209: looks very similar to the ranger series except bonded?
STEVE P: did it work or not? would you reccomend it?