Winchester PDX1 .45 ACP 230 Gr Supreme Elite Bonded Test W/denim




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Chinunit22: What is a difference between Winchester Elite Supreme and PDX 1 Defender? Beside boxes?

UnforgivingDemon: At 871 feet per second that's moving for a .45 especially out of a 3.78" glock 30. There is no reason that round should not have expanded at that velocity. Remember most 1911s with 5in barrels average at 820-850 ft per second and they have no problem expanding. Gold Dots are where it's at.

johnnylyonns79: Thanks your awesome

jwash3rd: I got good results from these using a full-size 1911, side-by side with Ranger T +Ps. I used wet phonebooks while I collect some more jugs so as you say, "Your results may vary." An interesting site is Ballisticsbytheinchdotcom where they test a couple brands of ammo in different barrel lengths to determine velocity, which can affect terminal performance.

tnoutdoors9: @Blk05titan26 For me, only as a last resort. There just isn't enough punch. IF I carried .380, it would be the heavier loads in hopes of achieving the best penetration.....that comment is based on what I've read, not tested first hand.

tensecond67: you havent shot anyone you freakin lying sack of crap

Ron Carpenter: have you tested any DRT pistol ammo? It's a different theory of expansion. Copper jacket seperates on purpose, then the powdered metal core disintigrates from dynamic pressure of centrifugal force. They claim it cannot go thru an organic target. Rather the powdered metal cloud spinning at 60k rpm (in pistols) destroys internals. I trust your opinions more than advertising hype.

RIPbiker13: I guess it's a great option for rapists not wearing clothing... A test with 4 layers is a perfectly viable test. A pocket alone makes up for at least 2 layers right there.

vincnet11: @bigboss686 Well the second round he fired did expand so the key word is double tap. There's no such thing as a perfect round, you can encounter misfires and jams with any brand of ammo. Have you heard of exploding .45 acp rounds from Federal that was recalled recently? I have seen another test video where this round is expanded properly. Hollowpoints failing to expand occasionally is not uncommon.

miah022: could you do more then one test? maybe just a bad round? and do a average?

dammitjavari: Can someone recommend a load for my ruger p89

Blk05titan26: .45 gap is the .45 for pussies

Aaron Anaya: the next step could be a bonded bullet with a tip like the critical defense line.

Vito Calo: Speer Gold Dot..........

TheMedievalMan: Im so glad I choose to use Gold Dots for my carry ammo.

GitcheG75: Excellent points there, tnoutdoors9. Thank you for the post.

EliteAmericans: o this is old test. I's about to say i've shot these out of the hi point 45 and they expanded perfectly in mud and glycerine blocks but its a lot bigger than that glock u got there

Avus95: @FREDNELSON100 First off, Thank you for your service to this country. But please, for the love of God turn off CAPS LOCK!

bereanminded: My Ruger P345 loves this round! I found that I liked it and the Federal Premium 165 gr. Hydra-Shok the best with slightly better accuracy from the Winchester. It is just very hard to find right now.

tnoutdoors9: @miah022 Eventually, yes, this one needs another shot, no pun intended.

LVs13DRIFT: so the pdx1 is a great choice if you live in a nudist colony LOL I think Im switching up to the Gold dot thanks for the Vid

fordxbgtfalcon: out of all the guns and ammo reviewers on youtube, you are by far the most detailed sir. thumbs up to you!

ghostrider1krr: Yet another poor performance by a bonded bullet. Honestly, the better non bonded designs hold together very well these days and expand much more reliably so why all of the hype over bonded handgun ammo? Ever wonder why various manufacturers offer their premium bonded load to the public but not their premium non bonded designs?

bigboss686: @vincnet11 Well that's great if you have the time/training to get a double tap done, lots of times you don't!! Also, I am in no way expecting there to be such a thing as a perfect round, however there are without question certain bullets that have a more reliable track record for expansion, PDX may develop a record as good as gold dot or HST with time, however it's still a new round that has to prove its as reliable as the previously mentioned. BTW federal doesn't make exploding ammunition

mixwell1983: @EliteAmericans - Well that's what I'm saying bro, if you bought a box of PDX1 and it didn't perform like it was supposed to would't you be disappointed ? Personally I have the same ammo in this vide but I pickup my Glock 22 .40 cal next monday and I really don't like the results of this video so I will most likely pickup some speer gold dot BUT if this was your main defense ammo I don't think you can afford a failure which I know you can agree with.. I should function as advertised IMHO..

tensecond67: suvivalist wanna be. the only thing you've managed to survive is the rat problem in your room aka mommy's basement. douche bag 40 year old virgin

Riflemanm16a2: Hmm, the FBI chose this round (in .40 S&W, I'm assuming). I wonder if the .40 performs any differently. How many rounds do you shoot to test for expansion? Was it just the two that we saw? Thanks for another informational video by the way.

Chris Eubank: @gshdrums There is a website called ammunition to go that carrys those loads.

silvereagle1833: I believe this is proof. One particular bullet design does not cover all of the caliber spectrum. Performance from one caliber doesn't necessarily mean it will give needed results in another. Select your round with careful study. Question, are manufactures making ammunition for mass marketing without the need for performance? They do need to make profit. Also we must consider you are shooting a 45 caliber diameter projectile. Ball ammo for this cartridge is not so wimpy after all...Gunny Z

Gary Gutierrez: @scubaguy007 Check that he is now a target.

Ronald3570: two tests with this same brand of ammo where it failed to expand due to the denim, i would never trust this ammo for self defense, its gonna go through all the walls in your house and into your neighbors. for me, im just sticking to nothing but gold dots for all my calibers, theres no reason to buy anything else.

dimitriosvulgaris: ohhhh FO SHO!!!!!!! Nice catch bro..

bigboss686: @TheRiggenbach There are a lot of variables such as humidity, temperature and sea level elevation that can change velocities slightly one way or the other. And of course there's always the imprecision of each round having a hair's breath different powder charge. Another thing to remember is that most of these velocities as measured from the company are also more often than not done at an indoor range under perfect shooting conditions, something that rarely happens outside.

Lone-Wolf Nelson Sr.: MY GOOD FRIEND ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU. THAT TEST WAS HORRIBLE, AND EVEN THOUGH THE AMMO BOX LOOKS FANCY AND THE PDX1 WILL NOT BE RELIABLE ENOUGH TO CONTINUE BUYING, I OWN A BOX ALL READY. SO I WILL SHOOT THEM ROUND OFF AT THE RANGE. THREW MY GLOCK 21 SF 45.. WOW YOUR VIDEOS SAVES LIVES AND PEOPLE MONEY... PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING LIKE THEY ALWAYS SAY, AND SEEING IS BELIEVING. ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU SIR FOR YOUR RESEARCH.. SAVES ME MONEY I DONT HAVE TO WAIST. A NEW FAN US SOLDIER OUT!

LecticProverb: I'd like to see a test which uses a layer of clothing to represent a t-shirt as well as something like a polo shirt. I think most defensive shooters train their shots at center mass. The denim, while indicative of external ballistics on leg and waist shots, does little to impact the effects of a projectile on center mass hits.

fboyg91: Forgive me if I am mistaken, but aren't hydra shoks made specifically for slower rounds such as the .45acp that typically have issues with HP or JHP expansion?

bigboss686: @Gspsx From everything I've heard it's very difficult to get a 230 g 45 ACP to work at low velocities. This is one of the reasons why there are 185g loadings in 45acp. You've got to remember that the former was designed around the 1911 platform and not the micro guns we use today for CCW. Personally I don't own any 45 smaller than a sig P220 for that very reason. And when I carry it with a 185 grain loading. just my personal opinion. After the research I've done

TheRiggenbach: @tnoutdoors9 i've noticed that on most of your ammo vids the velocity is normally lower than the manufacuter's. is that mostly due to using a shorter barrel or do you suspect they fudge them a little?

Swervin309 .: I have a Glock 30 and I've seen all of your videos for .45 ammo. However, I'm considering doing my own tests. Before I do, I must ask: Which rounds (in your opinion, based on your tests) work best in a short-barreled .45? Would a +P round be better for a short-barreled weapon?

Gary Gutierrez: Fun video to watch...the aggressor will be most likely wearing clothing. HA HA HA Now that is funny! If it's male, naked and moving toward me, it is an aggressor. : )

J Rock: @tnoutdoors9 Great video!!! I hope that in the near future you will have tests on the Hornady Critical Defense rounds. They are supposed to be flawless when hitting clothing barriers such as bluejean material etc.......

j0rdanj1: hickok45 yes

Chris Eubank: I still trust my life to these rounds.

Lone-Wolf Nelson Sr.: OH AND ONE LAST THING, I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, I AM IN THE US ARMY. AND I WENT TO THE MILITARY PX AND BROUGHT SOME BOXES OF THE FANCY " EXTREME SHOCK ".45 AMMO, FOR HOME DEFENSE USE. BUT LIKE YOU SIR , I ALWAYS TEST OUT THE AMMO, TO ENSURE IT WILL PERFORM WELL. I WAS SO GLAD I DID. I USED MY GLOCK 21 SF 45. AND UPON SHOOTING THE EXTREME SHOCK 45 AMMO. THE ROUND EXPLODED & BLEW UP IN MY GLOCK 21. THE CASING HAD A HUGE HOLE BLOWN OUT OF THE BOTTOM. GLAD I ALWAYS WEARING EYE-PRO. GOD-B-U.

hitmhard: I found some of this ammo in 9mm .124 grain at walmart. I was thinking about getting some. But decided to go to my car to do a search on youtube. I ran into this video and after watching I decided not to go back in and buy a box! Thanks tnoutdoors9!

evilside209: looks very similar to the ranger series except bonded?

STEVE P: did it work or not? would you reccomend it?

tnoutdoors9: @Goldie10mm Yes. UPS leaves it on the porch. I suspect they were making a delivery on a given day and heard me raising hell in the backyard.

craigdamage: Bullets with wider open cavity will indeed likely expand more. Also,these bullets are fare more prone to jamming. That wide mouth snags on the feed ramp. My S&W 457 .45 wouldn't feed Hydra-Shoks. My current USP Compact 45 has jammed with 200 gr Gold dots. No 45 I have ever owned has jammed with 230 Ball. This even includes a cheap Norinco 1911. A 230 ball that hits an aggressor does more damage than a fancy JHP that snags. 230 ball had NO problem repelling those frenzied "BANZAI!" attacks.

bisquik3006: Another great video my friend. All business, and much to learn, but the ending about made me fall out of my chair. LOL.
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Winchester PDX1 .45 ACP 230 gr Supreme Elite Bonded test w/denim 4.9 out of 5

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