Smith & Wesson M&P Shield Vs Kahr PM9




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Robert Tube: FYI. Pearce now makes the pinky extension for the Shield as well.

IIDASHII: Just FYI, there is a PM9 model with both an external safety and a tactile loaded chamber indicator. I own one. The extra $300 gets you tritium night sights and a polygonal match rifled barrel (as if one can shoot well enough with a sub-compact for that to even matter). If the shield had existed when I bought my sub compact...I'd have bought it instead. The PM9 is a good gun, but I don't like the magazine design at all, and as all Kahr guns are, it is madly over-priced. I'm enjoying your videos. 

cswann8: M&P triggers can be greatly improved with a piece of 800 grit sandpaper and a couple of drops of oil (gun oil, bicycle oil, motor oil, vegetable oil, whatever oil).

pac6010: The trigger on the Kahr killed it for me, I don't want that revolver pull in a self defense situation when every round counts. Same reason why I don't carry a .380 snub nose besides the round count. Practice obviously takes up for most of that but still, just a lot of trigger control required on an already small gun that doesn't fit my hand. The Kahr was also $300 more than the M&P on average in places I looked. That's a huge point for some people, I know it was for me.

Mike Tdishl: Just Subscribed. Excellent review of both firearms.

pitbull82: I think I found the answer in the comments. Pearce? 

Steve M: Seems to me that the CW9 is also more comparable in size and round capacity to the Shield than the PM9 is. Also, the safety kills the Shield for me because you can choose to not use it, but you'll never know if the safety is still off till you check it.

Doc Gunn: Excellent comparison. Thanks.

Eric Currence: The PM9 has been my CC for about 4years but I think I'm going to switch to the shield for the following reasons. #1 - The trigger reset on the PM9 is sooooooo long. Even my Ruger SP101 has a shorter trigger pull. #2 - To load the PM9 the slide MUST be locked to the rear and then released by the slide catch lever. You CAN NOT load this gun just by racking the slide. #3 - The distance between the top of the web of your firing hand and the bottom of the slide is larger than on the M&P making it harder to control. #4 - Price at $390 you're getting a lot of gun with the M&P (the PM9 is overpriced) 

Mike B: I'm just curious why if some of these pistols are really not good for CC, then what are their purposes then?

5Ring: Problem being, Kahrs don't cycle reliably when you pull the trigger. You'll get the first one off but will have to slap the back of the slide to fire the second. Kahr P40, worst gun I've ever owned.

mk45gunnr: MP, 25 rounds at 25 yards. 25 head shots the first time I shot it. Nuff said. Bought my shield for 351 plus tax. Would rather have two shields than one Kahr.

Walter H White: Just picked up a M&P 9 for $375. My choices came down to that or the cw9. With the melonite finish, two mags, great customer service and lifetime warranty the Shield is hard to beat. I've had so many pocket pistols and carry guns. I decided for me small is ideal, not tiny. Happy shooting! 

TheTanman2011: The kahr does have a loaded chamber indicator. The extractor sticks out when there is a round in the chamber

tie oneon: FOR me the $300 is worth the smaller size I pocket carry the G26 but clothing sometimes doesnt allow that and the pm9 does the trick where as the mp is too close to the g26 in size so for me no point in it again, nice video

arlo12345678910: Hopfuly the Shield's trigger will losen up over time. A lot of dry firing may help.

jbravo70: I don't know what a lot of people are talking about but I can rack back the slide of my pm9 every single time to load a round in the chamber, and Im not a big strong guy. I think people just need practice. This gun is super reliable, p380 isn't. The quality is amazing, that's why it cost more. It's real accurate. Only thing I wish khar would do is change look of mags the way they stick out of bottom. For the price of kahr, it should be flawless. 

jigsaw183 .: The XDs had recall issues but I love it just. The same. Repeal Obama care.

turkishexpress: I just went and looked at the shield at a local gun shop to see how it compared to my PM9. It definitely feels much larger but I think I'm sold on it. Primary reason is, for bigger guys like me, with bigger hands, the PM9s trigger mechanism really wears on the finger when you're at the rage practicing. After I go through about a 100 rounds my finger is chafed. The shield trigger shield area is much larger and does not rub.

Scott Knudson: I shot my wife's Kahr CW-9 yesterday and the full size and compact S&W M&P .45. The Kahr was amazingly comfortable to shoot and grouped perfectly. I preferred the full size Smith over the compact .45. It was a WONDERFUL gun.

newschoolrhythm: The PM9 accuracy continues to surprise me. I can knock around 4" steel plates at 15 yards all day long with it. Pretty impressive for a 3" barrel. It has become my EDC BUG. Both are good pistols though. I watched this video wondering how the size compared and if the S&W would make a good pocket gun. Sounds like the answer is no. Thanks for posting. To anyone reading this, if you go the PM9 route, ditch the 8 round mag. They are notorious for causing jams. So much so that Kahr will swap them out for free with a 6 round mag. I highly recommend the Pierce angled grip extension that adds a pinky base without extra capacity.

Togglefree: My opinion is that the Kahr CW9 compares better with the Shield 9mm. I just recently purchased a Shield to be my carry. Not intended to be a pocket gun.

pitbull82: +SnareMan What type of mag extension is that on the pm9?i want to order one. I hate the factory extended magazine. Ps. Subscribed! I like your content! Thanks. 

TheTanman2011: That sticky mag drop on the kahr is a problem with that individual gun. All the kahr I have used magazine drops free no problem

jigsaw183 .: Just bought the Khar PM9. Price isn't relevant for what I like or my life. Love the shield also.

carlosjavieruhlmann: I went with the Kahr PM9 and I'm glad I did. No better gun to carry on an appendix holster or even in a pocket holster. There is a break-in period on all Kahr handguns (100-200 rounds). Excellent review of both weapons, very objective and factual information for anyone looking to buy either handgun. Thanks!

drunkinmaster1: The Kahr PM9 has a match grade barrel, adjustable sights. If you want to save a few hundred dollars you can get the CM9 that has the same trigger pull, but with a conventional barrel, pinned sights, and only one magazine. Ive seen them for as low as $400

Eman3037: Good job with this video.Thanks

roninpainbringer: you should be comparing the shield to the P9 not the PM9.

ManOf TheMinute: the Kahr CM9 is great, ive had one as my daily for a couple years now, i highly recommend it if you plan to ever pocket carry.

excelerater: I CCW the Kahr PM9 w night sights,smaller gun,lighter and more accurate 

Privat3Kag3: As of June 5th, 2014 Smith & Wesson now offer a non thumb safety version of the shield. http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/MPShieldNTSFinal.pdf http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_831056_-1_780153_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y This is now my Favorite CCW Pistol, Anyone else Agree? THUMBS UP SO THE WORD GETS OUT.

Sho10000: Good video, but you're wrong on the loaded chamber indicator, the Kahr has an indicator on the right side of the gun. When a round is chambered it will extrude from the gun. When not loaded it remains flush with the gun.

ParabellumJ: There is. The fix is to disassemble the mag and gently squeeze the top of the mag near the feed lips with pliers. You don't need to squeeze much at all, so be careful. Since you have the mag apart it wouldn't be a bad idea to polish it with some flitz or mothers mag polish. I did this to my mags and they eject silky smooth, but all of them ejected fine without the mods. The Kahrs weakness are its mags. Otherwise its a great pistol. Good review.

SnareMan: I don't like them either. I just don't use it.

Manson Prepper: Kel-tec guns are piece of crap. cool designs but garbage weapons. Kahr owns any manufacture in making sub compact pistols

SnareMan: Thanks for the comment and sub. Its definitely a long trigger pull.

SnareMan: Thanks!

Gino K: Size & weight of the kahr compare closer to many 380's but with the benefit of a full 9 or even a 40 sw!

TheTF01: FYI the main reason the PM9 is so expensive is that it has Kahr's polygonal barrel similar to glock barrels. Therefore it should theoretically have better accuracy at distance, but I would still buy the Shield over the PM9!

Jaine's Obsession: Gawd! I wish I could just "pick up" a M&P Shield but I waited way too late and now I'd have a better chance of finding a unicorn now! Instead I got a Springfield XDS .45 ACP and even though most people love it and I'm a fan of both Springfield and S&W, I'm frankly done with the XDS. The recoil is ridiculous and the grip is way too textured and uncomfortable. I've heard great things about the Shield and I wish I could figure out when they'll start producing them again!

SnareMan: What don't you like about it? You mean on the Shield or the compact/full size?

ogarciaz14: Better answer than mine.

propdoctor21564: Forgot to mention that spare Kahr mags are much easier to carry in a pocket since they don't have the giant baseplate many other brands do... Sure they don't look as nice but who cares on a defense gun that's is carried concealed.

SnareMan: Yea, I don't feel like I'm jerking my PM9. Its just a long smooth pull. Its the Shield I feel like I'm jerking

TheARMSChannel: wow all thaat money for the kahr and no drop free mag. crazy

SnareMan: I think the Kahr is a lot more snappy/uncomfortable than the Shield. I just need to get used to the long trigger pull on the Kahr every its a super smooth trigger though.

KENFL74: Thanks for the video(s). They are very helpful. I am considering the Shield and was wondering how many rounds have you put through it? (roughly) I am trying to figure out if you have experienced any mag drops or jams at the range with the Shield. And one quick question about CM9 and PM9. Is PM9 worth the price difference from CM9? Is the price difference "reliability" or just the finishing? thanks again.

SnareMan: People have suggested that there is a fix for the problem if I check the forums.

propdoctor21564: My thoughts exactly... The lower priced CM9 does not give up anything from the PM9 that is really needed... I've carried a CM9 for a couple years and love it...
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Smith & Wesson M&P Shield vs Kahr PM9 4.8 out of 5

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