Smith & Wesson M&P Shield Vs Kahr PM9




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Slaying Mantis: I love the comparisons you do man! Your videos are so informative too. Def going to keep coming back!

Whatatay T: Thank you for having a very short intro to your videos. I hate the videos that waste my time with a 15 to 30 second intro or spend 2 to 5 minutes telling me what the video is going to be about instead of just getting on with it. 

Ty Par: Great video, what shield holster would recommend for concealed apex carry? I work outside in the heat. So, smaller is better.

gotindrachenhart: I've carried my PM9 in my pocket for almost ten years now. I did have an issue with it early on with a tiny crack developing on the frame but they were a new model so I cut them a little slack. They also took care of me very fast and I had it back within a week. The mags will drop free eventually, I think it just takes time to break them in as I've seen other PM9's that would drop their mags out just fine. Mine is still in pretty new shape as I have few rounds through it. Not sure what you mean about field stripping the Kahr. Mine is pretty simple, even easier than my Series 80 Colt. Only complaint I have is that the slide stop/take down pin can be tough to pop at first. Otherwise, it field strips VERY fast and goes back together VERY fast IMO. The extractor acts as a loaded chamber indicator. If it is flush with the slide there is no round, if it sits up just slightly there's a round in the chamber. I know it isn't as obvious but it does function and it also serves as a >tactile< indicator. The trigger is long yes. I'm honestly on the fence about it. It is very smooth and consistent on the break. It is VERY controllable for me. And I find it also is easy for me to hold on target while depressing the trigger. I DO wish it was a bit shorter on travel. But, the way I see it this makes up for a lack of safety. I've come to actually appreciate the trade off. The pinky thing does annoy me, not going to lie there lol. But, honestly, the PM9 is really meant IMO, to be a belly gun. Something you pull from your pocket or holster, jam in their belly/ribs and drain the mag. Can it shoot well at 25 yards? Yup! Do you really need that from a sub-compact? Not IMO. Heck, with the poly barrel it can print better groups that I'm capable of producing with it. But that's no fault of the weapon, that's my old body and physics. I have a bit of tennis elbow and when you combine that with a polymer frame all that energy comes right back through my wrist and elbow and, well it hurts. So after a few mags with the Kahr I'm all shaky :D Good review!

Doc Gunn: Excellent comparison. Thanks.

Italian_Burrito: I think I found the answer in the comments. Pearce? 

5Ring: Problem being, Kahrs don't cycle reliably when you pull the trigger. You'll get the first one off but will have to slap the back of the slide to fire the second. Kahr P40, worst gun I've ever owned.

Jimmy Morris: Thanks for the informative video. The Shield looks to be a nice gun for the money. I have a P9, that I think might be a little closer to the size of the shield. It is a little big for pocket carry in most pants I wear. If I had a PM9, my LCP might be left behind almost all the time. The LCP is always in my pocket even if I carry something larger, which I do a lot of the time. Now, more often than not, its a Glock 33 in a N82 tactical IWB holster. I guess what I am thinking is, that if I could only have one gun to carry, I could make a lot of choices worse than a PM9.

pinkiewerewolf: I went for the Kahr40. Main reasons, reputation and build quality are respectable, the gun shop can't keep M&P's in stock so the Kahr was available for me but the decider really was how easily the Kahr conceals. And the stopping power of the 40 S&W cartridge.

dig duck: Now you can do with CM9 also which is cheaper model.

Matthew Perry: There's no comparison once you bring up the price. Hands down M&P Shield. I purchased mine for $359. You'd still save money if you add night sights to the Shield. Plus, I don't like the sights on the Kahr. I'd still go with the Shield if they were the same price.

hippybigshot: OH NO! Not the pinky dangler.

Walter H White: Just picked up a M&P 9 for $375. My choices came down to that or the cw9. With the melonite finish, two mags, great customer service and lifetime warranty the Shield is hard to beat. I've had so many pocket pistols and carry guns. I decided for me small is ideal, not tiny. Happy shooting! 

cswann8: M&P triggers can be greatly improved with a piece of 800 grit sandpaper and a couple of drops of oil (gun oil, bicycle oil, motor oil, vegetable oil, whatever oil).

TheTanman2011: The kahr does have a loaded chamber indicator. The extractor sticks out when there is a round in the chamber

Italian_Burrito: +SnareMan What type of mag extension is that on the pm9?i want to order one. I hate the factory extended magazine. Ps. Subscribed! I like your content! Thanks. 

IIDASHII: Just FYI, there is a PM9 model with both an external safety and a tactile loaded chamber indicator. I own one. The extra $300 gets you tritium night sights and a polygonal match rifled barrel (as if one can shoot well enough with a sub-compact for that to even matter). If the shield had existed when I bought my sub compact...I'd have bought it instead. The PM9 is a good gun, but I don't like the magazine design at all, and as all Kahr guns are, it is madly over-priced. I'm enjoying your videos. 

TheTanman2011: That sticky mag drop on the kahr is a problem with that individual gun. All the kahr I have used magazine drops free no problem

Telemartinman: I love my Shield. I would look at Crossbreed Supertuck IWB holster. My Shield just disappears in that holster, most comfortable holster with the best CCW pistol out there.

Robert Tube: FYI. Pearce now makes the pinky extension for the Shield as well.

roninpainbringer: you should be comparing the shield to the P9 not the PM9.

drtrolish: The trigger on the Kahr killed it for me, I don't want that revolver pull in a self defense situation when every round counts. Same reason why I don't carry a .380 snub nose besides the round count. Practice obviously takes up for most of that but still, just a lot of trigger control required on an already small gun that doesn't fit my hand. The Kahr was also $300 more than the M&P on average in places I looked. That's a huge point for some people, I know it was for me.

Scott Knudson: I shot my wife's Kahr CW-9 yesterday and the full size and compact S&W M&P .45. The Kahr was amazingly comfortable to shoot and grouped perfectly. I preferred the full size Smith over the compact .45. It was a WONDERFUL gun.

carlosjavieruhlmann: I went with the Kahr PM9 and I'm glad I did. No better gun to carry on an appendix holster or even in a pocket holster. There is a break-in period on all Kahr handguns (100-200 rounds). Excellent review of both weapons, very objective and factual information for anyone looking to buy either handgun. Thanks!

ManOf TheMinute: the Kahr CM9 is great, ive had one as my daily for a couple years now, i highly recommend it if you plan to ever pocket carry.

jbravo70: I don't know what a lot of people are talking about but I can rack back the slide of my pm9 every single time to load a round in the chamber, and Im not a big strong guy. I think people just need practice. This gun is super reliable, p380 isn't. The quality is amazing, that's why it cost more. It's real accurate. Only thing I wish khar would do is change look of mags the way they stick out of bottom. For the price of kahr, it should be flawless. 

Eman3037: Good job with this video.Thanks

mk45gunnr: MP, 25 rounds at 25 yards. 25 head shots the first time I shot it. Nuff said. Bought my shield for 351 plus tax. Would rather have two shields than one Kahr.

Eric Currence: The PM9 has been my CC for about 4years but I think I'm going to switch to the shield for the following reasons. #1 - The trigger reset on the PM9 is sooooooo long. Even my Ruger SP101 has a shorter trigger pull. #2 - To load the PM9 the slide MUST be locked to the rear and then released by the slide catch lever. You CAN NOT load this gun just by racking the slide. #3 - The distance between the top of the web of your firing hand and the bottom of the slide is larger than on the M&P making it harder to control. #4 - Price at $390 you're getting a lot of gun with the M&P (the PM9 is overpriced) 

jigsaw183 .: The XDs had recall issues but I love it just. The same. Repeal Obama care.

arlo12345678910: Hopfuly the Shield's trigger will losen up over time. A lot of dry firing may help.

tie oneon: FOR me the $300 is worth the smaller size I pocket carry the G26 but clothing sometimes doesnt allow that and the pm9 does the trick where as the mp is too close to the g26 in size so for me no point in it again, nice video

Togglefree: My opinion is that the Kahr CW9 compares better with the Shield 9mm. I just recently purchased a Shield to be my carry. Not intended to be a pocket gun.

Mike B: I'm just curious why if some of these pistols are really not good for CC, then what are their purposes then?

Mike Tdishl: Just Subscribed. Excellent review of both firearms.

jigsaw183 .: Just bought the Khar PM9. Price isn't relevant for what I like or my life. Love the shield also.

drunkinmaster1: The Kahr PM9 has a match grade barrel, adjustable sights. If you want to save a few hundred dollars you can get the CM9 that has the same trigger pull, but with a conventional barrel, pinned sights, and only one magazine. Ive seen them for as low as $400

newschoolrhythm: The PM9 accuracy continues to surprise me. I can knock around 4" steel plates at 15 yards all day long with it. Pretty impressive for a 3" barrel. It has become my EDC BUG. Both are good pistols though. I watched this video wondering how the size compared and if the S&W would make a good pocket gun. Sounds like the answer is no. Thanks for posting. To anyone reading this, if you go the PM9 route, ditch the 8 round mag. They are notorious for causing jams. So much so that Kahr will swap them out for free with a 6 round mag. I highly recommend the Pierce angled grip extension that adds a pinky base without extra capacity.

turkishexpress: I just went and looked at the shield at a local gun shop to see how it compared to my PM9. It definitely feels much larger but I think I'm sold on it. Primary reason is, for bigger guys like me, with bigger hands, the PM9s trigger mechanism really wears on the finger when you're at the rage practicing. After I go through about a 100 rounds my finger is chafed. The shield trigger shield area is much larger and does not rub.

Steve M: Seems to me that the CW9 is also more comparable in size and round capacity to the Shield than the PM9 is. Also, the safety kills the Shield for me because you can choose to not use it, but you'll never know if the safety is still off till you check it.

excelerater: I CCW the Kahr PM9 w night sights,smaller gun,lighter and more accurate 

Privat3Kag3: As of June 5th, 2014 Smith & Wesson now offer a non thumb safety version of the shield. http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/MPShieldNTSFinal.pdf http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_831056_-1_780153_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y This is now my Favorite CCW Pistol, Anyone else Agree? THUMBS UP SO THE WORD GETS OUT.

Sho10000: Good video, but you're wrong on the loaded chamber indicator, the Kahr has an indicator on the right side of the gun. When a round is chambered it will extrude from the gun. When not loaded it remains flush with the gun.

MrD50boy: The mags in my CM9 drop with no problems. Only issue I had is my pinky being pinched with the Pierce Grip pinky extension. Blood blisters suck.

ParabellumJ: There is. The fix is to disassemble the mag and gently squeeze the top of the mag near the feed lips with pliers. You don't need to squeeze much at all, so be careful. Since you have the mag apart it wouldn't be a bad idea to polish it with some flitz or mothers mag polish. I did this to my mags and they eject silky smooth, but all of them ejected fine without the mods. The Kahrs weakness are its mags. Otherwise its a great pistol. Good review.

SnareMan: I don't like them either. I just don't use it.

David T: Love my kahr cm9. It is exactly the same size as the pm9 with only a few minor changes and only $380 out the door.

Manson Prepper: Kel-tec guns are piece of crap. cool designs but garbage weapons. Kahr owns any manufacture in making sub compact pistols

SnareMan: Thanks for the comment and sub. Its definitely a long trigger pull.
Rating:
Smith & Wesson M&P Shield vs Kahr PM9 4.8 out of 5

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