pac6010: The trigger on the Kahr killed it for me, I don't want that revolver pull
in a self defense situation when every round counts. Same reason why I
don't carry a .380 snub nose besides the round count. Practice obviously
takes up for most of that but still, just a lot of trigger control required
on an already small gun that doesn't fit my hand. The Kahr was also $300
more than the M&P on average in places I looked. That's a huge point for
some people, I know it was for me.
jigsaw183 .: The XDs had recall issues but I love it just. The same. Repeal Obama care.
arlo12345678910: Hopfuly the Shield's trigger will losen up over time. A lot of dry firing
Mike Tdishl: Just Subscribed. Excellent review of both firearms.
Steve M: Seems to me that the CW9 is also more comparable in size and round capacity
to the Shield than the PM9 is. Also, the safety kills the Shield for me
because you can choose to not use it, but you'll never know if the safety
is still off till you check it.
Togglefree: My opinion is that the Kahr CW9 compares better with the Shield 9mm. I just
recently purchased a Shield to be my carry. Not intended to be a pocket
drunkinmaster1: The Kahr PM9 has a match grade barrel, adjustable sights. If you want to
save a few hundred dollars you can get the CM9 that has the same trigger
pull, but with a conventional barrel, pinned sights, and only one magazine.
Ive seen them for as low as $400
SnareMan: I just leave mine in the off position and never think about it. But still
wish it wasn't there in the first place.
misspinkievang: The thumb safety on the shield kills it for me.
jrh5808: Great review. The extra cost on the Kahr comes from more machined parts.
For example the the slide release is machined out of a solid piece of metal
rather than molded. The Kahr slides have tons of machining done on them
too. Also the Kahr barrel has polygonal rifling which costs more. Little
things that add up. The extractor on the Kahr is the load indicator.
propdoctor21564: Forgot to mention that spare Kahr mags are much easier to carry in a pocket
since they don't have the giant baseplate many other brands do... Sure they
don't look as nice but who cares on a defense gun that's is carried
propdoctor21564: My thoughts exactly... The lower priced CM9 does not give up anything from
the PM9 that is really needed... I've carried a CM9 for a couple years and
propdoctor21564: Great video !! I had a CW9 but bought the CM9 when it was available... The
CM9 is a great gun for the price which is usually 400.00 or less... A good
description for the Kahr trigger is compare it's smoothness to a good
double action revolver with a llighter pull weight... I have owned many
Kahr's and never had a issue with any of them... They are amazingly
accurate and easy to shoot for how small they are... I also own a M&P9
compact which is also a great gun.
propdoctor21564: Exactly,,, the PM9 just adds more stuff that's not needed on a concealed
propdoctor21564: You should love it... I've carried one for a couple years and have been
very happy with it.
runelord37: Its fine lol.... Improve your motor control and youll have no problems at
all. Not everything is perfect in this world. But this pistol is more than
urpersonalguard: i will be buying the kahr cm9 shortly, i like the smaller size and the
simplicity with no safety to worry about
CueBall909: Have you tried the safety on the Shield? It is very small and very flush.
It's not at all easy to thumb on the draw and most gun forums I've seen are
littered with complaints about it. If you were talking about a 1911 or a
PPK or some pistol with a reasonably sized safety, I would agree with you.
But the safety on the Shield is a poor design that is difficult to use.
SnareMan: Thanks. I think Apex does have a trigger for the Shield now. The Kahr is
much more snappy to fire. The Shield is more comfortable. I don't think I
would have really 'showed' that by firing them in the vid.
gonzalez519: Extractor serves as a loaded chamber indicator in the Kahr
Robert Liggett: I picked up the kahr cm9 awhile ago and am getting a shield tomorrow, can't
wait to give them a try. I'll post a video with my thoughts as well
SnareMan: Thanks. So did I. :-)
J Stefan: nice information, thank you. very helpful... i bought both.
XXX: tHE pm9 i HAVE SEEN HAS A STAINLESS STEEL SLIDE.
whiteknight8: Pm9 ftw. External safeties on a carry gun is a terrible idea.
runelord37: only for those who cant control their weapon. If you cant thumb a safety on
draw youre too functionally retarded to aim a gun in public.
runelord37: ...OR how about leave the safety OFF if its such a problem lol.
Gavinsight Fourthamendment: Supposedly the Kahr pm9 and Ruger LC9 shoots any kind of ammo you throw at
it. How does the M&P Shield do?
Sho10000: Good video, but you're wrong on the loaded chamber indicator, the Kahr has
an indicator on the right side of the gun. When a round is chambered it
will extrude from the gun. When not loaded it remains flush with the gun.
ParabellumJ: There is. The fix is to disassemble the mag and gently squeeze the top of
the mag near the feed lips with pliers. You don't need to squeeze much at
all, so be careful. Since you have the mag apart it wouldn't be a bad idea
to polish it with some flitz or mothers mag polish. I did this to my mags
and they eject silky smooth, but all of them ejected fine without the mods.
The Kahrs weakness are its mags. Otherwise its a great pistol. Good review.
SnareMan: I don't like them either. I just don't use it.
Manson Prepper: Kel-tec guns are piece of crap. cool designs but garbage weapons. Kahr owns
any manufacture in making sub compact pistols
SnareMan: Thanks for the comment and sub. Its definitely a long trigger pull.
Gino K: Size & weight of the kahr compare closer to many 380's but with the benefit
of a full 9 or even a 40 sw!
TheTF01: FYI the main reason the PM9 is so expensive is that it has Kahr's polygonal
barrel similar to glock barrels. Therefore it should theoretically have
better accuracy at distance, but I would still buy the Shield over the PM9!
Jaine's Obsession: Gawd! I wish I could just "pick up" a M&P Shield but I waited way too late
and now I'd have a better chance of finding a unicorn now! Instead I got a
Springfield XDS .45 ACP and even though most people love it and I'm a fan
of both Springfield and S&W, I'm frankly done with the XDS. The recoil is
ridiculous and the grip is way too textured and uncomfortable. I've heard
great things about the Shield and I wish I could figure out when they'll
start producing them again!
SnareMan: What don't you like about it? You mean on the Shield or the compact/full
ogarciaz14: Better answer than mine.
SnareMan: Yea, I don't feel like I'm jerking my PM9. Its just a long smooth pull. Its
the Shield I feel like I'm jerking
TheARMSChannel: wow all thaat money for the kahr and no drop free mag. crazy
SnareMan: I think the Kahr is a lot more snappy/uncomfortable than the Shield. I just
need to get used to the long trigger pull on the Kahr every its a super
smooth trigger though.
KENFL74: Thanks for the video(s). They are very helpful. I am considering the Shield
and was wondering how many rounds have you put through it? (roughly) I am
trying to figure out if you have experienced any mag drops or jams at the
range with the Shield. And one quick question about CM9 and PM9. Is PM9
worth the price difference from CM9? Is the price difference "reliability"
or just the finishing? thanks again.
SnareMan: People have suggested that there is a fix for the problem if I check the
Evets Mik: PM9 has been a great CCW for years. Accurate, reliable, and great trigger.
Love the long pull trigger. Smooth and soft but breaks really well. I have
over 1K rounds through mine without a single malf. Only thing that I needed
to train myself was to NOT sling shot the slide. You have to use the slide
stop to release the slide. Sling shotting is too slow for it to chamber
1demochad1: OK you have the shield the pm9 and the m&p compact. What one do you carry
most? I have the cm9 and am weary or the trigger...it seams like it takes
forever to break. I also carry a g26 when clothing allows. I just don't
like the idea of switching back and forth because the triggers are so
different. Plus I don't like having all the crap from multiple guns. I just
don't like the length of the kahr trigger. M&P compact or shield? There can
only be one...or just have two Smith's with similar trigg
pugilist102: In every video the Shield is so much bigger than the other single stacks
that it doesn't even belong in that category. The shield is like an in
between of single stacks and subcompact standard pistols. It appears to me
that if you are going to get a shield, you might as well get a subcompact
Mr. Midshipman: I really like that Shield. I think Apex might have a better trigger for it
by now? Better check first. Other than that, I don't understand the moot in
the comments. I understand you good. Great review, cept bottom line, you
didn't fire em.
shaun OKeefe: I got a compact m&p and can say i like the gun but did like the trigger set
up. So not sure if i will want the sheild but my compact after almost 200$
and self mods i like the feel of the trigger now. If anyone feel the
trigger dig to much i well say get the apex glock trigger for it. It about
70$ and after you get it on you feel like you can shot it all day. And ma
suck with all the trigger pull laws too.
DAN V.: Great review. You shouldve field stripped them though.