Charles Rodriguez: Why go thru all the work to a video review when you don't know all the
facts related to the guns. Do the research before putting it on line. I
realized a little less than half way thru that the guy was not familiar
enough with the manufacturing quality of the Kahr to really talk about.
Antione Ford: Good video. I own the Stainless PM9 and owned the Shield in 9mm and sold
it. Cost deltas on the Kahr are driven by the polygonal rifling of the
barrel vs the hexagonal rifling in the shield. Also, 416 Stainless Steel is
more expensive than case hardened carbon steel. Also, the Shield uses a lot
of MIM parts in the internals and the Kahr PM line does not. I agree
completely on the trigger assessment although I do slightly favor the Kahr
because of the "smoothness". Another reason why I sold the Shield was
because the finish began to flake off near the front sight. Nothing to do
with firing the weapon but exposed carbon steel will turn rusty before
long; the chromium in stainless steels serves as a rust abatement.
13noman1: Thanks for the informative video. This is useful for someone considering
either the Kahr or the Shield as a new purchase, though a direct comparison
with the Kahr CW9 (price, size etc) would likely be more relevant.
I have a few Kahrs (including the PM9 here) and found this review helpful
in staving off the desire for another slim 9 given that the differences are
fairly minor (except for cost)...and I already have the Kahr.
Z.A.P. Squad: Didn't read thru all the replies, but if someone haven't commented on why
the $300 price difference, it is because the PM9 has a polygonal barrel,
thus the "P" in its name. The CM9 which is essentially the same as the
PM9, except the CM9 has a conventional barrel, thus the "C" in its name.
The polygonal barrel is a much better barrel.
gotindrachenhart: I've carried my PM9 in my pocket for almost ten years now. I did have an
issue with it early on with a tiny crack developing on the frame but they
were a new model so I cut them a little slack. They also took care of me
very fast and I had it back within a week. The mags will drop free
eventually, I think it just takes time to break them in as I've seen other
PM9's that would drop their mags out just fine. Mine is still in pretty new
shape as I have few rounds through it.
Not sure what you mean about field stripping the Kahr. Mine is pretty
simple, even easier than my Series 80 Colt. Only complaint I have is that
the slide stop/take down pin can be tough to pop at first. Otherwise, it
field strips VERY fast and goes back together VERY fast IMO.
The extractor acts as a loaded chamber indicator. If it is flush with the
slide there is no round, if it sits up just slightly there's a round in the
chamber. I know it isn't as obvious but it does function and it also serves
as a >tactile< indicator.
The trigger is long yes. I'm honestly on the fence about it. It is very
smooth and consistent on the break. It is VERY controllable for me. And I
find it also is easy for me to hold on target while depressing the trigger.
I DO wish it was a bit shorter on travel. But, the way I see it this makes
up for a lack of safety. I've come to actually appreciate the trade off.
The pinky thing does annoy me, not going to lie there lol.
But, honestly, the PM9 is really meant IMO, to be a belly gun. Something
you pull from your pocket or holster, jam in their belly/ribs and drain the
mag. Can it shoot well at 25 yards? Yup! Do you really need that from a
sub-compact? Not IMO. Heck, with the poly barrel it can print better groups
that I'm capable of producing with it. But that's no fault of the weapon,
that's my old body and physics. I have a bit of tennis elbow and when you
combine that with a polymer frame all that energy comes right back through
my wrist and elbow and, well it hurts. So after a few mags with the Kahr
I'm all shaky :D
Gary Pope: I have the 9mm M&P Shield and I carry it in a DeSantis Nemesis U4 pocket
holster using the short magazine. It is very comfortable and as long as I
wear pants with deep pockets, it does not print. The Shield is a great gun
and is very easy to shoot accurately and with minimum recoil. And it is a
good price (if you can find one).
Jimmy Morris: Thanks for the informative video. The Shield looks to be a nice gun for
the money. I have a P9, that I think might be a little closer to the size
of the shield. It is a little big for pocket carry in most pants I wear.
If I had a PM9, my LCP might be left behind almost all the time. The LCP
is always in my pocket even if I carry something larger, which I do a lot
of the time. Now, more often than not, its a Glock 33 in a N82 tactical
IWB holster. I guess what I am thinking is, that if I could only have one
gun to carry, I could make a lot of choices worse than a PM9.
TheTanman2011: The kahr does have a loaded chamber indicator. The extractor sticks out
when there is a round in the chamber
paintballmagnet: Strange that all of my Kahr mags drop free. I have both pistols, prefer
the Kahr for pocket carry but lean toward the Shield for "shootability."
Both have been 100% reliable.
Walter H White: Just picked up a M&P 9 for $375. My choices came down to that or the cw9.
With the melonite finish, two mags, great customer service and lifetime
warranty the Shield is hard to beat. I've had so many pocket pistols and
carry guns. I decided for me small is ideal, not tiny. Happy shooting!
pinkiewerewolf: I went for the Kahr40. Main reasons, reputation and build quality are
respectable, the gun shop can't keep M&P's in stock so the Kahr was
available for me but the decider really was how easily the Kahr conceals.
And the stopping power of the 40 S&W cartridge.
JEROME OLAS: I love my pm9. That shield looks really nice tho
Whatatay T: Thank you for having a very short intro to your videos. I hate the videos
that waste my time with a 15 to 30 second intro or spend 2 to 5 minutes
telling me what the video is going to be about instead of just getting on
Matthew Perry: There's no comparison once you bring up the price. Hands down M&P Shield. I
purchased mine for $359. You'd still save money if you add night sights to
the Shield. Plus, I don't like the sights on the Kahr. I'd still go with
the Shield if they were the same price.
cswann8: M&P triggers can be greatly improved with a piece of 800 grit sandpaper and
a couple of drops of oil (gun oil, bicycle oil, motor oil, vegetable oil,
Ty Par: Great video, what shield holster would recommend for concealed apex carry?
I work outside in the heat. So, smaller is better.
TheTanman2011: That sticky mag drop on the kahr is a problem with that individual gun. All
the kahr I have used magazine drops free no problem
Doc Gunn: Excellent comparison. Thanks.
drtrolish: The trigger on the Kahr killed it for me, I don't want that revolver pull
in a self defense situation when every round counts. Same reason why I
don't carry a .380 snub nose besides the round count. Practice obviously
takes up for most of that but still, just a lot of trigger control required
on an already small gun that doesn't fit my hand. The Kahr was also $300
more than the M&P on average in places I looked. That's a huge point for
some people, I know it was for me.
hippybigshot: OH NO! Not the pinky dangler.
5Ring: Problem being, Kahrs don't cycle reliably when you pull the trigger. You'll
get the first one off but will have to slap the back of the slide to fire
the second. Kahr P40, worst gun I've ever owned.
jbravo70: I don't know what a lot of people are talking about but I can rack back the
slide of my pm9 every single time to load a round in the chamber, and Im
not a big strong guy. I think people just need practice. This gun is super
reliable, p380 isn't. The quality is amazing, that's why it cost more. It's
real accurate. Only thing I wish khar would do is change look of mags the
way they stick out of bottom. For the price of kahr, it should be flawless.
Pitbull82: I think I found the answer in the comments. Pearce?
dig duck: Now you can do with CM9 also which is cheaper model.
Telemartinman: I love my Shield. I would look at Crossbreed Supertuck IWB holster. My
Shield just disappears in that holster, most comfortable holster with the
best CCW pistol out there.
Pitbull82: +SnareMan What type of mag extension is that on the pm9?i want to order
one. I hate the factory extended magazine. Ps. Subscribed! I like your
IIDASHII: Just FYI, there is a PM9 model with both an external safety and a tactile
loaded chamber indicator. I own one. The extra $300 gets you tritium night
sights and a polygonal match rifled barrel (as if one can shoot well enough
with a sub-compact for that to even matter). If the shield had existed when
I bought my sub compact...I'd have bought it instead. The PM9 is a good
gun, but I don't like the magazine design at all, and as all Kahr guns are,
it is madly over-priced. I'm enjoying your videos.
Robert Tube: FYI. Pearce now makes the pinky extension for the Shield as well.
ManOf TheMinute: the Kahr CM9 is great, ive had one as my daily for a couple years now, i
highly recommend it if you plan to ever pocket carry.
Scott Knudson: I shot my wife's Kahr CW-9 yesterday and the full size and compact S&W M&P
.45. The Kahr was amazingly comfortable to shoot and grouped perfectly. I
preferred the full size Smith over the compact .45. It was a WONDERFUL gun.
carlosjavieruhlmann: I went with the Kahr PM9 and I'm glad I did. No better gun to carry on an
appendix holster or even in a pocket holster. There is a break-in period on
all Kahr handguns (100-200 rounds). Excellent review of both weapons, very
objective and factual information for anyone looking to buy either handgun.
Eman3037: Good job with this video.Thanks
mk45gunnr: MP, 25 rounds at 25 yards. 25 head shots the first time I shot it. Nuff
said. Bought my shield for 351 plus tax. Would rather have two shields than
arlo12345678910: Hopfuly the Shield's trigger will losen up over time. A lot of dry firing
roninpainbringer: you should be comparing the shield to the P9 not the PM9.
Mike Tdishl: Just Subscribed. Excellent review of both firearms.
excelerater: I CCW the Kahr PM9 w night sights,smaller gun,lighter and more accurate
drunkinmaster1: The Kahr PM9 has a match grade barrel, adjustable sights. If you want to
save a few hundred dollars you can get the CM9 that has the same trigger
pull, but with a conventional barrel, pinned sights, and only one magazine.
Ive seen them for as low as $400
tie oneon: FOR me
the $300 is worth the smaller size
I pocket carry the G26 but clothing sometimes doesnt allow that
and the pm9 does the trick where as the mp is too close to the g26 in size
so for me
no point in it
again, nice video
turkishexpress: I just went and looked at the shield at a local gun shop to see how it
compared to my PM9. It definitely feels much larger but I think I'm sold
on it. Primary reason is, for bigger guys like me, with bigger hands, the
PM9s trigger mechanism really wears on the finger when you're at the rage
practicing. After I go through about a 100 rounds my finger is chafed.
The shield trigger shield area is much larger and does not rub.
Steve M: Seems to me that the CW9 is also more comparable in size and round capacity
to the Shield than the PM9 is. Also, the safety kills the Shield for me
because you can choose to not use it, but you'll never know if the safety
is still off till you check it.
Eric Currence: The PM9 has been my CC for about 4years but I think I'm going to switch to
the shield for the following reasons. #1 - The trigger reset on the PM9 is
sooooooo long. Even my Ruger SP101 has a shorter trigger pull. #2 - To
load the PM9 the slide MUST be locked to the rear and then released by the
slide catch lever. You CAN NOT load this gun just by racking the slide.
#3 - The distance between the top of the web of your firing hand and the
bottom of the slide is larger than on the M&P making it harder to control.
#4 - Price at $390 you're getting a lot of gun with the M&P (the PM9 is
Togglefree: My opinion is that the Kahr CW9 compares better with the Shield 9mm. I just
recently purchased a Shield to be my carry. Not intended to be a pocket
newschoolrhythm: The PM9 accuracy continues to surprise me. I can knock around 4" steel
plates at 15 yards all day long with it. Pretty impressive for a 3"
barrel. It has become my EDC BUG. Both are good pistols though. I
watched this video wondering how the size compared and if the S&W would
make a good pocket gun. Sounds like the answer is no. Thanks for posting.
To anyone reading this, if you go the PM9 route, ditch the 8 round mag.
They are notorious for causing jams. So much so that Kahr will swap them
out for free with a 6 round mag. I highly recommend the Pierce angled grip
extension that adds a pinky base without extra capacity.
Mike B: I'm just curious why if some of these pistols are really not good for CC,
then what are their purposes then?
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Sho10000: Good video, but you're wrong on the loaded chamber indicator, the Kahr has
an indicator on the right side of the gun. When a round is chambered it
will extrude from the gun. When not loaded it remains flush with the gun.
MrD50boy: The mags in my CM9 drop with no problems. Only issue I had is my pinky
being pinched with the Pierce Grip pinky extension. Blood blisters suck.
ParabellumJ: There is. The fix is to disassemble the mag and gently squeeze the top of
the mag near the feed lips with pliers. You don't need to squeeze much at
all, so be careful. Since you have the mag apart it wouldn't be a bad idea
to polish it with some flitz or mothers mag polish. I did this to my mags
and they eject silky smooth, but all of them ejected fine without the mods.
The Kahrs weakness are its mags. Otherwise its a great pistol. Good review.