cswann8: M&P triggers can be greatly improved with a piece of 800 grit sandpaper and
a couple of drops of oil (gun oil, bicycle oil, motor oil, vegetable oil,
IIDASHII: Just FYI, there is a PM9 model with both an external safety and a tactile
loaded chamber indicator. I own one. The extra $300 gets you tritium night
sights and a polygonal match rifled barrel (as if one can shoot well enough
with a sub-compact for that to even matter). If the shield had existed when
I bought my sub compact...I'd have bought it instead. The PM9 is a good
gun, but I don't like the magazine design at all, and as all Kahr guns are,
it is madly over-priced. I'm enjoying your videos.
pac6010: The trigger on the Kahr killed it for me, I don't want that revolver pull
in a self defense situation when every round counts. Same reason why I
don't carry a .380 snub nose besides the round count. Practice obviously
takes up for most of that but still, just a lot of trigger control required
on an already small gun that doesn't fit my hand. The Kahr was also $300
more than the M&P on average in places I looked. That's a huge point for
some people, I know it was for me.
Robert Tube: FYI. Pearce now makes the pinky extension for the Shield as well.
mk45gunnr: MP, 25 rounds at 25 yards. 25 head shots the first time I shot it. Nuff
said. Bought my shield for 351 plus tax. Would rather have two shields than
Mike Tdishl: Just Subscribed. Excellent review of both firearms.
Steve M: Seems to me that the CW9 is also more comparable in size and round capacity
to the Shield than the PM9 is. Also, the safety kills the Shield for me
because you can choose to not use it, but you'll never know if the safety
is still off till you check it.
tie oneon: FOR me
the $300 is worth the smaller size
I pocket carry the G26 but clothing sometimes doesnt allow that
and the pm9 does the trick where as the mp is too close to the g26 in size
so for me
no point in it
again, nice video
arlo12345678910: Hopfuly the Shield's trigger will losen up over time. A lot of dry firing
jbravo70: I don't know what a lot of people are talking about but I can rack back the
slide of my pm9 every single time to load a round in the chamber, and Im
not a big strong guy. I think people just need practice. This gun is super
reliable, p380 isn't. The quality is amazing, that's why it cost more. It's
real accurate. Only thing I wish khar would do is change look of mags the
way they stick out of bottom. For the price of kahr, it should be flawless.
jigsaw183 .: The XDs had recall issues but I love it just. The same. Repeal Obama care.
Scott Knudson: I shot my wife's Kahr CW-9 yesterday and the full size and compact S&W M&P
.45. The Kahr was amazingly comfortable to shoot and grouped perfectly. I
preferred the full size Smith over the compact .45. It was a WONDERFUL gun.
Mike B: I'm just curious why if some of these pistols are really not good for CC,
then what are their purposes then?
Eric Currence: The PM9 has been my CC for about 4years but I think I'm going to switch to
the shield for the following reasons. #1 - The trigger reset on the PM9 is
sooooooo long. Even my Ruger SP101 has a shorter trigger pull. #2 - To
load the PM9 the slide MUST be locked to the rear and then released by the
slide catch lever. You CAN NOT load this gun just by racking the slide.
#3 - The distance between the top of the web of your firing hand and the
bottom of the slide is larger than on the M&P making it harder to control.
#4 - Price at $390 you're getting a lot of gun with the M&P (the PM9 is
carlosjavieruhlmann: I went with the Kahr PM9 and I'm glad I did. No better gun to carry on an
appendix holster or even in a pocket holster. There is a break-in period on
all Kahr handguns (100-200 rounds). Excellent review of both weapons, very
objective and factual information for anyone looking to buy either handgun.
turkishexpress: I just went and looked at the shield at a local gun shop to see how it
compared to my PM9. It definitely feels much larger but I think I'm sold
on it. Primary reason is, for bigger guys like me, with bigger hands, the
PM9s trigger mechanism really wears on the finger when you're at the rage
practicing. After I go through about a 100 rounds my finger is chafed.
The shield trigger shield area is much larger and does not rub.
newschoolrhythm: The PM9 accuracy continues to surprise me. I can knock around 4" steel
plates at 15 yards all day long with it. Pretty impressive for a 3"
barrel. It has become my EDC BUG. Both are good pistols though. I
watched this video wondering how the size compared and if the S&W would
make a good pocket gun. Sounds like the answer is no. Thanks for posting.
To anyone reading this, if you go the PM9 route, ditch the 8 round mag.
They are notorious for causing jams. So much so that Kahr will swap them
out for free with a 6 round mag. I highly recommend the Pierce angled grip
extension that adds a pinky base without extra capacity.
drunkinmaster1: The Kahr PM9 has a match grade barrel, adjustable sights. If you want to
save a few hundred dollars you can get the CM9 that has the same trigger
pull, but with a conventional barrel, pinned sights, and only one magazine.
Ive seen them for as low as $400
Togglefree: My opinion is that the Kahr CW9 compares better with the Shield 9mm. I just
recently purchased a Shield to be my carry. Not intended to be a pocket
Sho10000: Good video, but you're wrong on the loaded chamber indicator, the Kahr has
an indicator on the right side of the gun. When a round is chambered it
will extrude from the gun. When not loaded it remains flush with the gun.
ParabellumJ: There is. The fix is to disassemble the mag and gently squeeze the top of
the mag near the feed lips with pliers. You don't need to squeeze much at
all, so be careful. Since you have the mag apart it wouldn't be a bad idea
to polish it with some flitz or mothers mag polish. I did this to my mags
and they eject silky smooth, but all of them ejected fine without the mods.
The Kahrs weakness are its mags. Otherwise its a great pistol. Good review.
SnareMan: I don't like them either. I just don't use it.
Manson Prepper: Kel-tec guns are piece of crap. cool designs but garbage weapons. Kahr owns
any manufacture in making sub compact pistols
SnareMan: Thanks for the comment and sub. Its definitely a long trigger pull.
Gino K: Size & weight of the kahr compare closer to many 380's but with the benefit
of a full 9 or even a 40 sw!
TheTF01: FYI the main reason the PM9 is so expensive is that it has Kahr's polygonal
barrel similar to glock barrels. Therefore it should theoretically have
better accuracy at distance, but I would still buy the Shield over the PM9!
Jaine's Obsession: Gawd! I wish I could just "pick up" a M&P Shield but I waited way too late
and now I'd have a better chance of finding a unicorn now! Instead I got a
Springfield XDS .45 ACP and even though most people love it and I'm a fan
of both Springfield and S&W, I'm frankly done with the XDS. The recoil is
ridiculous and the grip is way too textured and uncomfortable. I've heard
great things about the Shield and I wish I could figure out when they'll
start producing them again!
SnareMan: What don't you like about it? You mean on the Shield or the compact/full
ogarciaz14: Better answer than mine.
propdoctor21564: Forgot to mention that spare Kahr mags are much easier to carry in a pocket
since they don't have the giant baseplate many other brands do... Sure they
don't look as nice but who cares on a defense gun that's is carried
SnareMan: Yea, I don't feel like I'm jerking my PM9. Its just a long smooth pull. Its
the Shield I feel like I'm jerking
TheARMSChannel: wow all thaat money for the kahr and no drop free mag. crazy
SnareMan: I think the Kahr is a lot more snappy/uncomfortable than the Shield. I just
need to get used to the long trigger pull on the Kahr every its a super
smooth trigger though.
KENFL74: Thanks for the video(s). They are very helpful. I am considering the Shield
and was wondering how many rounds have you put through it? (roughly) I am
trying to figure out if you have experienced any mag drops or jams at the
range with the Shield. And one quick question about CM9 and PM9. Is PM9
worth the price difference from CM9? Is the price difference "reliability"
or just the finishing? thanks again.
SnareMan: People have suggested that there is a fix for the problem if I check the
propdoctor21564: My thoughts exactly... The lower priced CM9 does not give up anything from
the PM9 that is really needed... I've carried a CM9 for a couple years and
Evets Mik: PM9 has been a great CCW for years. Accurate, reliable, and great trigger.
Love the long pull trigger. Smooth and soft but breaks really well. I have
over 1K rounds through mine without a single malf. Only thing that I needed
to train myself was to NOT sling shot the slide. You have to use the slide
stop to release the slide. Sling shotting is too slow for it to chamber
1demochad1: OK you have the shield the pm9 and the m&p compact. What one do you carry
most? I have the cm9 and am weary or the trigger...it seams like it takes
forever to break. I also carry a g26 when clothing allows. I just don't
like the idea of switching back and forth because the triggers are so
different. Plus I don't like having all the crap from multiple guns. I just
don't like the length of the kahr trigger. M&P compact or shield? There can
only be one...or just have two Smith's with similar trigg
pugilist102: In every video the Shield is so much bigger than the other single stacks
that it doesn't even belong in that category. The shield is like an in
between of single stacks and subcompact standard pistols. It appears to me
that if you are going to get a shield, you might as well get a subcompact
Mr. Midshipman: I really like that Shield. I think Apex might have a better trigger for it
by now? Better check first. Other than that, I don't understand the moot in
the comments. I understand you good. Great review, cept bottom line, you
didn't fire em.
shaun OKeefe: I got a compact m&p and can say i like the gun but did like the trigger set
up. So not sure if i will want the sheild but my compact after almost 200$
and self mods i like the feel of the trigger now. If anyone feel the
trigger dig to much i well say get the apex glock trigger for it. It about
70$ and after you get it on you feel like you can shot it all day. And ma
suck with all the trigger pull laws too.
DAN V.: Great review. You shouldve field stripped them though.
bodyarmored: As far as reliability, it is the same. Snareman is right about the
differences being cosmetic. Only the barrel differences are non-cosmetic,
but honestly, a tiny,tiny loss in velocity is well worth the hundreds of
dollars in savings. I picked up my CM9 at a gun show NIB for 405.00 out the
egarfin1: I carry pm9. It carries great...the 4oz and smaller size are very
noticeable for concealed edc......even better than my 2inch. My magazines
always have shot out just like the Shield in your video......and I am quite
happy with the trigger and the gun shoots great. I got mine for about $650.
pricey, but love it.
SnareMan: THANKS FOR BEING SUB # 2,000 for me!!!!!!!! Yes, the Kahr is certainly more
concealable. No doubt. $300 more expensive and not as comfortable to shoot,
but definitely smaller. It is a really nice gun with a very smooth trigger.
davidvaladez4: Kahr for me, thank you. S&W is mostly high quality on all steel revolvers.
Ronald Poley: I have a Kahr CM9 and I love it. I do not see any reason to pay the premium
for the PM9.
jrh5808: Great review. The extra cost on the Kahr comes from more machined parts.
For example the the slide release is machined out of a solid piece of metal
rather than molded. The Kahr slides have tons of machining done on them
too. Also the Kahr barrel has polygonal rifling which costs more. Little
things that add up. The extractor on the Kahr is the load indicator.
darrtrubb: Kahr PM9 definitely the superior weapon. It's built like a tank & the
quality is obvious. The Shield is what it is, an inexpensive but
serviceable gun. Personally I found really cheap feeling, but more
importantly I found the trigger to be seriously flawed. IMO it is
dangerously light! Not nearly enough weight to it for safe CC. Just my .02.