cryin2: now we are whacking the indians. you victory guys just look stupid
Steve K: For all the Pro Victory Guys/Anti Harley Guys. Type in Red Square Chapter
110 on the YouTube Search. For Harley's 110th Anniversary, there were
Anniversary celebrations all over the world. This chapter of HOG was from
Russia, and rode to Italy to celebrate the 110th. There's also a youtube
video of one in Mexico and Germany as well. Probably others I'm missing.
Harley promoted the events obviously. But Harley owners on Harleys rode to
these events to celebrate the brotherhood of the bike. This is the
difference between Harley and all others. You will never have this, ever.
You have an advantage in the tech as of the moment, but it's going to be
another 95 years or so before you have the recognition. It must get old
telling people you're Harley look-a-like is a Victory.
I suppose you could say Harley sells an image. That's fine. But like,
cigarettes, beer, stamps and tampons, they don't really need to advertise.
Everybody knows what awesome looks and sounds like.
For the guy who seems to think we all trailer our bikes around. No. I make
like $50k a year also at the moment. I found a bike I liked, went to my
credit union and bought it. I then started the process of
customization/modification to suit my needs and personality. I ride it, I
clean it, I'm planning on riding it all over the country. No trailer
needed. It's the journey, not the destination.
Keep the shiny side up, enjoy the ride no matter what you ride.
Bill J: This guy is a complete ASSHAT! Why even put this on from VOG? The Indian
Cheiftan is the same style bike as his?? his comments are completely
GETREAL!: This is not an "INDIAN" motorcycle! This is a nonsense bike created by
POLARIS with CHINESE INVESTMENT and it is a "RE-MODLED VICTORY"
This motorcycle is an insult to the old beautiful Indian with it is long
It is very sad to see this happened to the REAL INDIAN bike.
Jeff Bicht: If they get away from Arlen Ness they would sell better and being they do
not have a sub frame to put a sidecar on. There was not a real Indian motor
since 1954 till they came out with the new motor in 2013.
rlunderhill: Bobby G. is who?
S Sat: "VOG" , jesus guys..., if you make up an "owners group", at least don't
call it anything remotely similar to the legendary HOG... And the Victory
is better than the new Indian?? OK, it comes from the same manufacturer,
but apart from that, if you saw a Victory bike on the road, you could very
well think that it is a Jap crap - touring bike..., an Indian - NEVER!
C'mon. Who is this "Bobby-G" (biker), commenting on bikes anyway, (his main
issue is the colour of the bikes)..., WTF? :)
Aknoctum: It's a real shame that indian motorcycles was acquired by Polaris, these
new indian only thing they seem is a version of the indian created by
polaris, I thought acquire indian this year, but seeing these best new
indian not do it, they lost the vintage touch, and lost its American style,
is a shame that this should happen to Indian ... a shame ..
taxfree4: Dude, get a secondary mike so the person you are interviewing can pin it on
their shirt. I couldn't watch more than 2 minutes of this. That back and
forth with the mike is distracting, annoying and impedes the flow of
natural conversation since he has to wait till you're done so you can swing
it over to him. I thought you were going to whack him in the mouth a couple
of times there, just a suggestion.
steve k: Great POLARIS commertial
Tony Edwards: What BobbyG said about the Indians is sort of true look at the Harley
Heritage... a bike which I've owned there is so little you can do to the
bike until you don't have a Heritage any longer
lensman8: That was a stupid comment that was made starting at 17:20, saying so many
options to change the look of the HD street glide but not Indian without it
still looking like an Indian !!! WTF...how is that any different???? When
you change to custom looks on a Harley, it aint what Harley had created. It
YOUR STYLE NOT HARLEYS.
SO..dont be stupid and say changing an Indians cosmetics doesn't make it
Indian anymore...NOTHING LOOKS LIKE AN INDIAN IN IT'S ENGINE OR
THINK...before putting mouth in gear...duh!!
Michael Wattle: bikes were unique in the 1920's. now the expectations of bikes are all the
same in America. Of course they are different around the world. I ride a
Vic Vegas 8 ball. anyone want to see it, just look up a suicide clutch for
Victory Vegas. Looks like i am the only one in the world that has one. I
just got off the subject though...sorry. For this interview, everyone has
different ways to evaluate new and old bikes. Yes i think the things he is
talking about is very petty!!!!. And i think he has too much money. Bikes
are a extension of the owner when riding: therefore making a bike very
personal, not wanting what the FACTORY has to give you!! As long as it is
American made and there is a good engine in place with a reliable braking
system and tran, you are in good shape. For people that are only HD, get
another freckin HOBBY! I was not real happy with my bikes styling, but
just as i said before a bike is an extention of your body. if you dont
like puny arms..,.GUESS what!! You go work out and get bigger arms or take
steroids HAHAHA! I chose by bike just like all of you have that are
commenting here. Bobby who... he has never been on my bike and never will
because it will never be for sale. I will go to the grave with it or take
it to It's grave
Signing out "Wattle"
WhoisRichardReid: I rode and like the new Indian but to me it looks to modern. My favorite
part of the new Indian is that it is quite inexpensive for a large American
Sideways Miller: I'm a HOG member only for the discounts and road side service, not the
"club" but VOG really is a thoughtless, cheap rip-off. I am a die hard
Harley fan, but if I had the money I'd have one of every brand of
motorcycle in my garage, so with me its not a "Harley-or-nothing" thing.
Victory makes a nice bike, while I was at the Laughlin rally I had a chance
to demo ride a couple of new Victorys and with all honesty they felt like a
Kawasaki. Good smooth power, but no soul or character. Nothing about the
bike excited me. The Victory is what it is, a pretty metric cruiser with an
American stamp on it.
As for the new Indian bikes, I'd buy one on their looks alone. I like the
classic lines and the old school styling of the bike, but I honestly have
no idea how it rides, I haven't been lucky enough to sit on one.
If you're just a Weekend Warrior any bike will do, if you truly ride you
have to pick the bike that best suits you, whatever the brand name is. I'm
just glad we have choices.
(By the way, nice fanny-pack BobbyG.)
Damon Ferguson: Harley Davidson is a nice bike if you want to be like everyone else. Stand
on stage, not in the crowd.
Keanon Gilliam: Ted W. Harley had a recall on only the 2014 touring models except the Road
King (Road King still has cable clutch) for it's new hydraulic clutch. My
understanding it was an easy fix at the dealerships even though they had a
do not ride warning. To Harley's credit (my friend's Electra Glide Ultra)
dealers picked up the bikes from the owners home, fixed at dealership and
delivered bikes back to owners' homes. When I got my Street Glide a month
later the repair were already done.
Keanon Gilliam: I like the new Indians but to me they're a bit "overly classic". By that I
mean that the style can only be appreciated by an older person or a person
who likes the retro styling. You can buy a Softail Deluxe or a Heritage
Softail and it's retro styling won't seem over the top. I bought the 2014
Street Glide instead of the Chieftain. Interesting enough, check out the
video test review Chieftain vs Street Glide on Motorcycle.com
bigbadbobdunn: You're reviewing an Indian, but don't have one?
robin yates: to a European, these US bikes look very old fashioned unlike the 2014 cars
which are good looking.
matrox: He called the Victory a girls bike compared to the Indian. I'm surprised
VOG didn't cut it out.
sqweezel: I wish I could afford any of these beauties. But for me it's all about
comfort and options. Once I find a bike that FEELS right, I can worry about
making it LOOK right for my own tastes. For tech heads, check out the Moto
Guzzi California cruiser.
matrox: The Indians and Harleys I like. The Victory just look like a Japanese bike
and the engine is ugly.
Roy Rodriguez: so he says he owned a h.d. and he's cut off right away ... Honda with
68.000 miles ,cut off , hated one model vick ..cut off ..
Denis Marier: You have to understand, VOG stands for Victory Owners Group... On the other
hand, ever seen other bike make spokespersons advertizing Vics ? Or just
any competition for that matter... lol
Forrest Hicks: I was going to buy a 2013 Road Glide Custom and decided to give Victory a
chance with there test ride promotion. I am not a trend follower which is
why I liked the Cross Country - it's NOT another Street Glide. They are
everywhere and I don't care for being like everyone else. Here's a simple
breakdown of why I bought the XC. Cost for Stage 1: Victory=$400/HD=$2,000,
rear seat for wife's comfort:Victory=Stock (and she love's it)/HD=$400,
Duane Mowery: Did i get this strait? He never rode the chieftain but he has these
Steve K: Again, much thanks to Polaris. The slight competition for customers added
by Indian along with Victory, will really push Harley to change up their
powerplant in the next 5-10 years. I can see a sub 2 liter Revolution based
water cooled engine pretty much across the board of the heavy's. Dyna may
keep the 103 and Sportster will stick with 1203. That engine will pretty
much destroy and dominate for years to come all while looking great.
TheHuester44: BobbyG is giving a very unbiased and honest review of the brands he's
ridden . Saying that he canceled his order on the Indian Chieftan is being
honest and that he would choose a Harley Street Glide over the Indian says
something. Everyone can choose what they like the point is to enjoy your
Bonniemish: I don't ride BUT I will...............I love the retro Indian look. Keep
your cookie cut looking bikes that you want to modify. The Indian doesn't
need to modify its look! Sweet classic bike!
Steve K: Ok, I'm going to do this in two parts. The first part is where I say I like
all motorcycles. I think Victory makes a nice product. I like the shape of
the fairing on the Cross Country. I think the engine technology is pretty
cool. Probably a step a head of the Harley. The price is right as well.
However, Harley builds there engines and the bikes a certain way, because
that's what the customers demand. After introducing the V-rod, it was
obvious, the average Harley customer was ok with change.
reichsbank gold: ZÜNDAPP KOMPRESSER PROTYPE DOHC BUILD 1939
Steve K: How come a friend of mine who has in his garage, a MotoGuzzi with a side
car, an Anniversary Edition GSXR, and a Limited edition Victory Cross
Country can't stop staring at my Softail and telling me what a nice bike it
is and how lucky I am to have it? Just remember, Harley sets the trends,
everyone else follows them. In the event you feel I'm wrong ask yourself
this. Why does everyone have a Street Glide clone currently? No one ever
tripped over a Sportster to ask anyone about a Honda.
David m: Polairs builds some way ugly bikes""
GrumpyBlack: I appreciate the info/perspective as well...thanks
ragtopdodge: Victory Street Glide? WTF is that?
guysmiley: He went from a 2012 victory to a 2008 harley?
byron efird: This guy is out there... We have witnessed Harleey and Victory riders get
off the new Indians and the response is tremendous...people are tradind for
the new Indians left and right and it is certainly an upgrade from their
Steve K: Find a bike that fits your attitude and your way of life. Go get it and
make it yours. I agree with the one poster. Pretty much everything out
there minus the current incarnation of Indian is a Imitation Harley. Often
imitated. Never duplicated. No one ever walks up to anyone at a gas station
to talk about there Shadow 700. I can't even get off my Softail without
someone coming up and asking about it.
7heRedBaron: I'm really really trying to enjoy this, but I'm missing a lot of Nicole
Curtis trying to listen to this. This host must be a volunteer. And the
legendary Bobby who???
Steve K: Hey Dan Mingee, The title says Indian Chieftain vs Victory Cross Country vs
Harley Ultra Rider Review and Comparison. It's 28 minutes. I expected 8 or
9 minutes of comparison on each of the bikes mentioned and the remainder of
the time left would be which one he liked best. I don't really care if he
liked his Victory over his Harley. I was hoping for exactly what the title
indicated,a comparison of the three bikes. VOG.net is nothing more than
biased Victory Commercials, nothing to see here.
Ted W.: Well, said Sir. We all are bikers in some form or fashion.
scarygt: Other than I dislike just about everything victory offers this vognet host
makes me dislike the brand even more. Now to do think the Indian might
actually do some descent sales numbers for Polaris. I've only been riding
HD since 2007 and I've owned every variation of the touring bikes I've also
logged more than 130K miles on those bikes. I'm actually excited about the
new Indian Chieftain and will probably add one to my garage,
Ted W.: The VOGdotNet guy is so bias in his review of other bikes.
Steve K: I believe I already posed the question, as to why Victory didn't go with a
inline engine or something like Triumph, or maybe even BMW or Moto Guzzi
with the V-twin sitting sideways. But they went with a traditional V-twin.
The only thing different is overhead cams. So basically it's patterned
after American V-twin cruisers?
zaderq1: Haha old man trips in the background at 2:05
Steve K: As for validation of power, the stock 103 isn't much fore in terms of power
or torque than a stock 96. A little more power a little more torque, the
compression is a little higher. That's Harley sticking with tradition and
looking good vs. going with the times and changing to overhead cams. The
V-rod engine in a Softail or Street Glide would enhance power, reduce
weight and pretty much stomp anything you put next to it. I'll be excited
when they change it. Hopefully it looks nice.
Steve K: The V-rod was designed from the ground up. I think after they bring out a
bigger Revolution engine they will also get more radical with the new
designs. Kind of like how Jeep changed the Wrangler after almost 50 years
of the same basic design. They will then probably introduce new frames and
new styling which will make for a new era of HD dominance.
Travixius: Victory and now by all accounts Indian are bullet-proof. Harley's sell
themselves so the dealers (at least in my town) treat buyers like crap.
Victory dealerships love and want to sell you a Victory, so will go out of
their way to please.
Mickey Bitsko: I think the Vision is gorgeous on paper, and hideous in person.